May 2013
Moonie terrorism!
Scaring the sheep: “If you are unable to join me in the providential ranks, your descendants will accuse you…..True Parents established companies here in the United States. As I have said in Korea, if the church is the mind, the providential organizations and companies are the body….I have told you this: I wish to have you all stand in the position of loyalty, piety and fidelity....
Anonymous asked: What's up with all these dates, you ask? It's called "stringin' 'em along".
The lineage is a lie. There is no lineage. Thank...
John Reed’s most insightful crap cutting post ever!
22nd May 2013 Response to the Global anonymous coward
The lineage is a lie. There is no lineage. It is just an instrument for people to remain loyal to this false family of hypocrites. They are not who they pretend to be. They are not the ideal in substance. They don’t even make it in the finals for good relationships amongst...
The incredibly shrinking group
UC. The incredibly shrinking group and what I noticed about the 10th anniversary MEPI …famfed reported that they we expecting 200 participants, but only 46 showed up. (Including many repeat customers) Mike Jenkins talked about how the tiny group went there to promote peace and understanding among the 3 main religions. Sorry, but it nearly broke my heart to see the same old faces, hearing the same...
HSA-UWC Treasurer Dead
Does anyone have any information about the death of Rev. Eric Holt treasurer, chief financial officer, the comptroller for HSA-UWC?
Anonymous asked: What's with all of these future dates? The big one was 2013, Now the "newest" big one is 2020? Why must everything be objective to frickin' dates? Why not just do it NOW? Because there is nothing...
Indumbnity
I think the UC is a confusing contradiction that borderlines self masochism. Don’t be mistaken - there are UC members who have the most pure hearts of gold, but I can’t understand the organization and its teachings. Does one really have to travel to Cheongpyeong and pay $20,000+ dollars in ancestor liberation to go to Heaven? Really? Isn’t that no different than the old Catholic...
Response to the Global anonymous coward.
“It distorted his thinking and warped his common sense almost like he has stockholm syndrome. It’s time to move on Frank like John Reed did several months ago. Stop looking for demons they are everywhere and easy to find .” [Quote from - “A Concerned Global Citizen”]
Dear Global Citizen,
I think you may not understand what I mean when I say I would like to move on....
Anonymous asked: Bring ex-members back to what exactly? There is a reason individuals no longer associate and interact in that group, and also the people in the group want you to come back on their terms in a conditional - not unconditional - way. Also, they wouldn't be able to handle the challenge to their authority. In case you haven't noticed their focus for the past twenty years has been their kids....
Rev. Moon and the United Nations
howwelldoyouknowyourmoon:
By Harold Paine and Birgit Gratzer November 2001 I. Introduction The organization of the Reverend Sun Myung Moon is seeking a major role in the NGO community at the United Nations. Three Moon groups have been granted formal NGO status and others have applied. The Moon organization has used the UN for conferences and for publicity events. Moon has held a mass-wedding in...
In answer to the question about leaving the church…
In Jin’s implosion made me lose any hope in the Moon family. But as bad as that was, the infighting among brothers was the last nail in the coffin. That did it for me.
How leaders react may depend on which district you are in. No one bothered to even call me to ask why I was not coming to church anymore. I am not aware of any...
My walk with God has been mostly blind and ignorant, unaware of how good and sweet God actually is. I saw God as an unforgiving, limited, un-mighty semi-creator in Unificationism. He was unwilling and unable to fully cleanse us of our sins, according to Unification doctrine, and self-condemnation piled up. And then I found pure and true religion, undefiled religion, which is in loving and taking...
Anonymous asked: As you think of your life as a spiritual or religious path, what were some of the features of the way you have walked?
Anonymous asked: Is there anyone who has left the church after the In Jin Moon scandal? I wanted to know if they had any problems with members/leaders stalking them or harassing them to try and get them to come back, or any problems with members trying to wreck their marriage so they could get a spouse to come back? Thanks.
7 years on national MFT
I agree 7 years took it’s toll on the Canadian born member Frank Frivilous.
It distorted his thinking and warped his common sense almost like he has stockholm syndrome. It’s time to move on Frank like John Reed did several months ago. Stop looking for demons they are everywhere and easy to find .
Wake up smell the coffee and move on with the few remaining years you have in this...
Just about all posts are accepted, from what I’ve seen.
Someone asked who is Rev. Shin who came to Albania this year.
I know Rev. Shin, and he is one of the people sent out by Korean HQ to work in the 20 countries for the 2020 project. He has been a regional leader in America for the last 15 years or so.
Do you have more detailed questions? I am happy to answer private questions, too, but maybe this site is not the place for that.
Oh Ron, you will soon learn that the editor is not even an editor.
Aloha all, What a bummer - I’m new to this venue and spent the last half hour pouring my heart out. Was about to post and thought about attaching a link, but when I hit the Link option my text disappeared. Well, at least the SW knows what’s on my mind. The rest of you will have to wait until I feel inspired to recreate it again. Too late to do it tonight. Just for a teaser, it...
observable result
This is a rather long article concerning the nature of a sociopath or cult leader.
http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html
Though it is rather long it is worth reading in conjunction with the post to HWDYKYM, “Moon talks about Ewha scandal. “
When read one after the other it becomes crystal clear that Sun Myung Moon was a sociopath. There isn’t a single description of...
Who is Rev. Shin, who was sent to Europe (focus on Albania, Kosovo) in 2013? Thank you
Help Tacco Hose
I thought it would be good to share this here. I saw Teddy Hose post this on facebook and I know his mother and father are truly loving, honest, and spiritual people. Ex-member, member, non-member, religious, spiritual, secular, etc., it does not matter. This is a good cause:
“Recently I received a call from my parents asking me to borrow a large amount of money, because my mom will undergo...
My story is pretty similar; just looking for old...
My story in some ways is pretty much the same as everyone’s here, but different than most in the sense the church was a “step up” for me. I had a chance to “travel” (if you want to call it that), which I never would have in the real world. I was 18 and heading for nothing in San Francisco. I met “Dr. John” and “Lee Ann” and went to the meeting at Bush St. house. I joined instantly and tried to...
Korean Mating and Dating
howwelldoyouknowyourmoon:
By Bo-Kyung Byun
Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you know that the episode “Shocking Report on Relationships with Foreigners,” aired by Korea’s MBC TV network in late May, caused a great deal of controversy among the expat community as well as some head-scratching…. Korean Ethnocentrism, international couples and the dating dilemma Read...
Gender bender
The gender change thing is probably a mistake by whoever translated the original Korean texts. In Korean you can ambiguously refer to a woman without specifically saying “she”, and women’s names can often sound like a man’s name. So, if the translator doesn’t know the gender of the person it is easy to make the mistake of assuming it’s a man when it’s...
Re: Regrets
The piece was from The Onion, which does nothing but satire.
Get a sense of humor, or at least learn to recognize satire when you see it!
Two UC historians change gender
howwelldoyouknowyourmoon:
UC historians try to hide the Moon sex scandals. Changing genders from female to male is one way they operate. (Moon liked the women.) The President of Ewha Woman’s University at the time of the Moon sex scandal was Dr. Helen Kim (also known as Kim Hwal-lan), Dr. 金活蘭. All the students were female, and probably most of the staff such as Won Pok Choi and Young Oon Kim....
RE: TO THE SON OF THE DEVIL WHO POST THIS PIECE OF...
The guy who post REGRETS is a son of the devil, promoting his father’s Satan lies, propaganda in this forum. His father Satan wants to turn people against the Mighty Lord GOD, so the devil can keep them under his control in slavery.
Psalm 145:20 The LORD GOD watches over all who love Him, but all the wicked he will destroy.
The Lord God’s word is very clear, He watches all who...
Regrets
THE HEAVENS—Saying that maybe He wasn’t around enough and could have expressed His divine love a little better throughout the history of mankind, Our Lord God and Almighty Father expressed concern Thursday that He might have fucked up His children.
In a frank conversation with reporters, God said it’s not hard to see that all 7 billion of His children are “pretty screwed up” and that many of...
Mrs. Moon
Excerpts from: In the Shadow of the Moons: My Life in the Reverend Sun Myung Moon’s Family”/Little Brown & Company, 1998 By Nansook Hong
“Mother-who spent so much time at chic clothing emporiums that her youngest son once answered, ‘She shops,’ when his schoolteacher asked him to describe his mother’s lifework?”
“Gambling is strictly prohibited by...
Anonymous asked: Enough of the In Jin enabling. Ask her why she thinks the property she controls is hers to control and ask Kook Jin why he boasts that he is the ricest person in the church when the wealth he controls was originally offered to God - not him. Your public offering at work.
Jin Sung dating anyone?
So, now that Ben and Tat made their absolute unchanging and eternal love public to every one……… what about James? Is he living the single life? Someone said he was taking care of some BC girl.
RE: Hitting Father
When you “give someone the shoulder” you might contact deltoid-deltoid, triceps-triceps or deltoid-triceps depending on your respective heights. If you contacted biceps-biceps then you must have been dancing a do-si-do with the old fraud. Any real marine would know that my bullshitting young friend ……
How to spot a Sociopath
http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html
This article is outstanding! A must read if you want to understand the Moon family.
Anonymous asked: RE: Hitting Father....well that's proof enough for me that he's the messiah! NOT!. Really, stories like this are used to prove what exactly? That you have an over active imagination and are capable of reading something from nothing. Do you know how the Koreans live. Banging into each other is what they do. It's the norm for their culture and they never think it's even rises to...
In Jin fearlessly went to the forgiveness ceremony with everyday members in Westchester, NY. She was being bold and making a point, and she was allowing herself to go through what the average member goes through. Perhaps making up for her botched, private ‘blessing ceremony’.
I honestly have no idea what to think of her most days but we must remember that she has been raised with a...
I’m glad every voice that dealt with the Church, even those ex-Moonie-now-Christian-fundamentalist, can be heard here on this blog.
Hitting Father
While working in Japanese restaurant in NY Father came with Kamiyama and as members lined up in front of dining area they headed straight to the back kitchen area. I left the members following the visitors to the rear and entering into kitchen Father was standing listening to Kamiyama and I thought I’d never get this close to Father again.
Not trusting Kamiyama due to previous workings together I...
By Their Fruits You Shall Know Them
Hyun Jin was livid when Hak Ja Han, Peter Kim & Kook Jin in his own words (verbatim) “pulled a stunt and put those two little pricks in my place over my head”. Now no one, with any actual accurate personal knowledge of Kook Jin or Hyung Jin could possibly disagree with his complaint or description.
Hyun Jin was and still is personally incensed, because he was very proud to have taken on the...
I neither saw nor heard from my mother for 10...
howwelldoyouknowyourmoon:
Joon Ho Seuk testimony given in 1986 His mother was Won-pok Choi
“In 1953, Father came to Seoul and began to preach there. The spiritual world actively helped by bringing many people to hear Father. Terrible rumors were also fabricated at that time, and the Korean government began to persecute the Unification Church. However, many college students started coming to...
Is In Jin Moon still living in New Jersey with her lover or are they in Norway?
Blessed Families' Resolution for the Victory of...
howwelldoyouknowyourmoon:
ENG Vision2020
We thought maybe this could help explain things… but then realized it didn’t at all.
Anonymous asked: Is it true that great numbers of disenchanted 2nd gs are more susceptible to high risk behavior after they exit the UC due to such high standards that are unobtainable and the lack of basic education in drug and abstinence education? Are they already presumed to be such "BLESSED" BCs, so they are above basic education to protect themselves after their exit?
The American Legal System at Work. A Korean...
A Korean church under indictment in NJ
http://www.scribd.com/doc/140510919/New-Jersey-Criminal-Case-Against-World-Mission-Society-Church-of-God
World Mission South Korea claims to be a “church.” World Mission New Jersey claims to be a “church.”. Defendants try to avoid being held accountable for their actions by portraying their secular crimes and torts as...
I remember this time about 7 or so years ago being at a dinner for families involved in WANGO, UPF, IRFF, etc., and seeing the Rev. Kwak and Dr. Walsh hug and families, who are now exiled from the Church because of their loyalty to Hyun Jin, celebrated for their devotion to the Movement. It is sad how much can change in such little time.
What should be done when something goes wrong in...
drbenandmoon:
Yeon Jin described Young Jin’s state of mind after finding out his wife had fallen before their marriage, but waited until after she was pregnant to tell him:
“Young oppa was crushed…. Young oppa had loved her. In his mind, his marriage was supposed to be perfect. He was always such a helpless romantic; he was so idealistic and optimistic. And this Satan had the gall to crush and...
I just read the story on Young Jin on HWDYKYM. Very interesting that Hyo Nam Kim (so-called Daemo-nim) had vetted his wife-to-be, yet somehow missed all her deception. Yet the Moons still trusted her? If she screwed that one up, I guess she’s not all that perceptive and spiritually connected after all. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a normal but savvy person getting a better read on...
Anonymous asked: So, all this info about Mrs. Choi being a virtual wife, is it possible that Dr. Seuk is Father's son?
