December 2010
RE - Three Questions
Quick response, as this could be the subject of an essay. Yes the World needs Rev. Moon - or there would not be one. Historical fact, he is the most successful religious Founder in his own lifetime. And yes the World needs his family, because without family the World would be a lonely place. Is this what is missing from politics? Well there is a lot more to how the world is run than...
November 2010
RE "Metaphors"
Look my little apprentice, in the “Fallen World” we live in, in Corporate life the expression “knowing where the bodies are buried” is well known. Sorry if it is outside the realm of your cultural knowledge, but having worked for major Corporations I can tell you it is a common expression. There are many times one might see an unqualified person continue or even be...
Three questions for Moon defenders
Does the UC really need a Moon family dynasty? Does humanity really need a Moon family dynasty? Is that what’s missing in global politics?
videos?
So, is the church releasing those hoondok videos or what? Can we assume the church is trying to let time pass by so that this becomes a non-issue? If that’s the case, what a bunch of hypocritical pussies they are.
This is for Rev Moon
Yong Song Moon (AKA Sun Myung Moon)….if you had ever really cared about all the strange things you claim are going on concerning the spiritual battles of heaven and earth then you would have kept your dick in your pants and not gone around fucking women you were not married to. You’re a joke.
Editing of HDH by the current UC leadership -...
http://www.scribd.com/doc/44241500/UC-editing-of-HDH
Compare the following postings and understand how much editing is currently being done by the UC. This explains why there is no longer HDH transcripts or videos being released by the current UC leadership.
ONE:
http://www.tparents.org/Moon-Talks/SunMyungMoon10/SunMyungMoon-100802.htm
Jesus Wasn’t Meant To Be Just King Of Israel But King...
There is enough info to demand release of the full...
We have the notes of “someone who wasn’t there”. We have Rev. Shin’s spin of what happened, and we have this, from family fed.
Taken as a whole, and understanding that each has some bias and alot of editing, there is enough cross references that elude to some situations that need immediate clarification that an unedited video can settle. Demand and ask for it.
From...
LET’S STOP DONATING NOW - WHERE IS THE INCOME TAX?
Dear Brothers and Sisters, I am a 40 years veteran and I request to all brothers and sisters to stop donating NOW. Why? None of these organizations below are transparent in their accounting system. They are all Non-Profit organizations built by you and me. But they haven’t shown society how our money is spent. They have to show us their income tax. No excuses for...
Report from World Mission Headquarters Spin...
Contributed by Sung Il Cho, Senior Director, World Mission Headquarters True Parents recently returned to Korea, the homeland and hometown of the providence, prior to the assembly the first to be held in Washington DC and New York in the United States, the second assembly to be held at the Hoover Dam and Las Vegas and the third to be held at Cheon Bok Gung in Seoul, Korea. During this time...
What I am grateful for this Thanksgiving
What I am grateful for this Thanksgiving I am grateful that True Parents and the True Family are making the truth known to the world! Alright, we all know now that Hyo Jin Nim had his problems. It came out that one of the reasons was his reaction to finding out about pikareun: His assistant Madelene Pretorious reported, “When Hyo Jin found out about his father’s...
They can’t hide Moon forever
They can’t hide Moon forever. Sooner or later he will have to come out of his closet. Then we shall know the truth and the truth will set us free!
Re: Trouble at court.
I call complete BS from this guy. He’s obviously someone trying to represent and defend the church but is failing greatly at it. First of all, the biggest flaw in his writing: He’s writing and not showing the video. Why doesn’t he even mention it in his post? What does it matter if that Korean guy (Rev. Yong Kwon) wrote rumors? It would be so easy to discredit this Kwon guy. All...
I don’t get it. If one of Rev Moon’s sons does activities like Global Peace Festivals I’m suppose to understand that he is fallen Adam because he’s doing it against his fathers wishes. However, if Rev Moon has two sons born out of wedlock, both sons conceived while legally married, he’s not fallen Adam or Lucifer…he’s God’s main man, his central...
The Moment (correction)
The year stated for In Jin Nim’sappeal to the members is incorrectly written as 1984. The correct year is 2005. also “un-due” should be undo. I can re-post with corrections if you like. Sorry about that.
OmChinAh
Trouble at court.
Wow, some wild sounding stories indeed. True Father going ballistic, whacking Hyung Jin Nim, berating True Mother and branding all the bigwigs scoundrels and saying they are working against him. Is this robust banter or the signs of a crumbling royal court? The way the ‘report’ reads certainly sounds like the latter and is enough to make even the most loyal UC member wonder what the...
The truth on Joshua Cotter's presentation
That presentation by Joshua Cotter had some telling items: 1. No mention of Hyun Jin Nim’s restoration and saving of millions of dollars in Brazil, where land was being seized and bills piling up due directly to Korean leaders mistakes. 2. The only item that was mentioned was Tongil, and how Rev. Kwak supposed ruined Tongil, which supposedly is now restored by Kook Jin Nim. Telling in...
Kwak-Pak
I was a member of Moon’s Unification Church from 1976 to 1986. During that time it was Bo Hi Pak who appeared to be Moon’s second in command. He was certainly more popular with ordinary members than Chung Hwan Kwak. He spoke fairly good English, used American idioms and was a dynamic translator for Moon. Kwak, on the other hand, required a translator himself, and was long-winded...
The Moment
The Moment
Life is made up of moments… In this moment Reverend Kwak is in the position of fallen archangel (Satan). I remember another moment in 1984 when Dr. Bo Hi Pak was in that same position. As In Jin Nim appealed to the members for financial support to “save Bo Hi Pak”, she wrote:
“As a daughter of Rev. Moon, moreover, I cannot sit quietly and watch the world belittle my father as a...
WatchJoshua Cotter Spreading Neo-Unificationist Theology
A metaphor is a metaphor unless is slander
‘Re “dumbass”’ wrote, “The reference to “dead bodies” and “dirty pictures” is metaphor of course.”
“Metaphor of course”!? Really? To what does “dead bodies” stand as metaphor? “Dirty pictures” is a metaphor for what? Maybe someone’s own credibility and reputation for...
Re "Dumbass"
First off, you assume I represent the Church’s views, and I do not. However I do think theft and betrayal on the scale of Rev Kwak’s and Preston’s is clearly wrong, something you somehow in your little comfy bubble somehow cannot seem to fathom. The reference to “dead bodies” and “dirty pictures” is metaphor of course. In this whole tawdry affair ...
Response to Anonymous post
Dear anonymous poster,
You ask if there’s a way to verify whether the post about the Nov. 18 HDH is true or not… Yes, there’s a very simple way. All the church has to do is release the unedited video tapes of that day. If they do that then we will all know the truth. If they don’t show the tapes for whatever reason, that would only confirm many people’s suspicions....
Anonymous asked: Sometimes I wonder if some of the posts on this blog are really true, like i.e.the one about Rev. Moon getting angry and yelling at his wife and sons at CPL on Nov.18th...I mean, if that's true the church is in SERIOUS trouble. I think bringing out the truth about the church is very important, and lying and making stuff up is only going to backfire. People will stop to take church critics...
Cult.
I just met a man trying to convince me that the messiah was Korean at Barnes and Noble. He is part of another Korean cult.
Those Koreans have quite the ego, huh?
True and Good Family: Does Unification Church... →
trueandgoodfamily:
Recently I wrote a post that took up essentially this question. My thesis statement was “The lack of charity toward ex-members is widespread within the movement, but is there any reason why that has to be?” I could have taken the post in another direction, exploring what the causes might be of…
In Jin Moon Affair? Old news.
The In Jin stuff is not new at all. Her affair and her wild partying ways have been known in the community for years, especially the West Rock community. Since the man she had an affair with was from the Westchester area, many people knew about it. We had to pretend like we didn’t know, but when the divorce went through with In Jin’s boy toy and his wife, many in the community were shaken. Many I...
"dead bodies and dirty pictures" ! ?
“What will it take - do you need to see dead bodies and dirty pictures before you get it?” (Nov.23)
Yes, please. If you have evidence of dead bodies, now would be a good time to announce that. Even dirty pictures would assist in rousing judgment against a dirty-picturing murderer. Which one is it? Where is the evidence of “dead bodies” and “dirty pictures”? ...
Anonymous asked: Come out of the shadows? You dumbass %^&*%^&@@#*! Father trusted the man with just about the whole of the Church, including World Missions, Businesses, the Blessing, Forgiveness of sins, and Kwak repays that trust by engineering the theft of billions of dollars in property and businesses, including all of the Unification Church International (UCI ). But you...
RE: Anonymous asked: Come out of the shadows? You...
It is true Father trusted Rev. Kwak with just about everything. If Rev. Kwak is truly the power mongering money hoar, aka “Satan”, then let me ask you this… Why would Rev. Kwak who ALREADY possessed everything, COMPLETELY trusted by Father as you’ve said, “with just about the whole of the Church, including World Missions, Businesses, the Blessing, Forgiveness of...
Important news from Nov. 18, 2010
By Rev. Yong An Kwon (BBW)
An extraordinary happening at Cheon Jeong Peace Palace =>On Nov. 18 , 5:00am HDH at Cheon Jeong Peace Palace, when True Father entered into the room, all the members were about to offer kyeong bae to True Father. However, Father stopped members with his right hand held straight, and said to them “Do not do kyeong bae!” with very angry tone. According to trustworthy...
Anonymous asked: Come out of the shadows? You dumbass %^&*%^&@@#*! Father trusted the man with just about the whole of the Church, including World Missions, Businesses, the Blessing, Forgiveness of sins, and Kwak repays that trust by engineering the theft of billions of dollars in property and businesses, including all of the Unification Church International (UCI ). But you _refuse_to_believe_ the...
Come out of the shadows!
Does anyone else find it odd that we have no videos of Father declaring this evil Kwak providence as we did the June 5 declaration? Come out of the shadows. If Father said this, then please, videotape it in full so we can have no doubt that you are not just manipulating things for your own side in this conflict!
Watch
gruntle:
Exploding-Moons: Why Kwak is not Satan. Satan has red skin. Charizard is red.
Satan has horns. Charizard has horns. He also has very little hair.
Charizard never got a PhD. Satan never went to school at all.
Satan doesn’t actually exist. Fortunately, neither does Charizard.
Satan is unique. So is Charizard.
Charizard is Satan: Tour details to TBA.
Is Moon the AntiChrist?
Is Sun Myung Moon the prophesied ANTICHRIST?
“Father’s original name was Yong Myung Moon. Yong means dragon. Father’s elder brother is Yong Soo. Father changed his name due to the providence.” (http://www.tparents.org/moon-talks/sunmyungmoon02/SM020501.htm)
“Young Myung Moon” means “ shining dragon ,” which he felt was inappropriate for a religious leader, since the dragon has satanic...
Phallic!
My point re “Phallic”. It is clear by the tenor of your postings that you judge others - True Family, and members, and the Church as an institution - by a standard other than the one you apply to yourself. That was my point. And the Standard by which you judge them may be what you “think” Father believes - but your concepts are I think, unfortunately ignorant of...
http://home.snafu.de/tilman/faq-you/moonies.txt →
gruntle:
I haven’t actually read through it, but it’s the first time I saw it, and I thought I’d leave it here.
forum for discussion pro and con - why isn't they...
FamilyFed.org - why so few people are signed up on it. Why are there so few posts in the groups. Are the subjects lame, or am I just not spiritually simple/trusting/open/holy enough. Is there a forum set up as developed as familyfed.org, for deeper discussions both pro and con. because it seems to me that familyfed.org might not be open for intense debate. If they is, I not find they. ...
This guy regularly finds uc-related articles. Might be a good reference if you don’t know of it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldTies/
How Well Do You Know Your Moon: A letter on the... →
howwelldoyouknowyourmoon:
This letter reveals the reality of the division of the UC on a worldwide scale. It is written by an African member that is disturbed by the demonizing of Rev. Kwak and Hyun Jin’s “movement”.
Dear Damian, It is so unfortunate this great movement of people with the greatest providential…
A letter from Africa
A number of people, both online and off, have expressed concern about whether UC members and leaders have been supporting Global Peace Festival activities in Nigeria. They apparently have this impression because until a week ago the person organizing the GPF in Nigeria, John Oko, listed the Peace Embassy address in Abuja as its secretariat and contact address and had his headquarters in the...
San Diego UC pastor interviewed
Read more here: http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2010/nov/10/sheep-goats-unification-church-san-diego/
Excerpt:
What is the most prevalent sin you observe or hear about from your congregation? Pastor: I’d say there are two challenges to this congregation…. Husbands and wives stop trying to love each other, be romantic, or really enjoy each other’s company. Then with teenagers, it’s the...
About the rumor that the Rev. Kwak True Father said, “You go your way, I will go mine” (“You go your way, I’m on my way”) …
Since October 14 last year to this day the Rev. Kwak had no communication with the parents by phone. [End]
Maybe someone misunderstood the words of Rev. Kwak? http://19denov.wordpress.com/
Re: "Hot wives are cool...” Kahr Arms Phallic
Re: “Hot wives are cool…”
Where did you get these incredible powers of deduction? You completely psychoanalyzed me from my one simple statement pointing out that Park, Ji Yea was Kook Jin’s latest wife. Your show of hubris and your use of the word jealous and shriveled in the same sentence tell us something about the possible condition of your own phallic.
Hot wives are cool! I...
An issue of money.
Does Kook Jin really need more money? Why is he so upset to lose UCI that he would resort to calling his brother evil? Greedy bloke.
If Tongil is really doing all that good, and since Mr. Joo stole 21 million and never returned it, what more does he need? And if he is cash strapped, sell the latest 21 million dollar temple.
The truth on TF
There is a video that is posted with this: http://vimeo.com/16442142 A presentation given at the direction of True Father about the present situation in providence October 17, 2010 Why not just post the video of True Father as they did with the June 5 proclamation? They probably are lying about it being at the direction of True Father, or manipulated a yes out of him to justify themselves. ...
True and Good Family: NRMs in the Contemporary... →
trueandgoodfamily:
Religion 317 - New Religious Movements in the Contemporary World Quiz 4: The Unification Church II, the Second Generation
Multiple choice. Please read each alternative carefully and select the best answer. …
Religion 317 - New Religious Movements in the Contemporary World Quiz 4: The Unification Church II, the Second Generation
Multiple choice. Please read each alternative...
Hot wives are cool..
Re “Kahrs guns phallic” - you say that as if it’s a bad thing! And what is wrong with being married to beautiful woman who does gun ads and holds them in such a - such a “cherished” - manner? Ho ho ho, so who is the jealous one here, eh? Dude, you talk like a Churchlady, like some shriveled up Halmoni when you supposedly are so evolved philosophically and...
Khar Arms phallic
Did you know that the girl in the Khar Arms ad “Girl holding gun as penis” is Kook Jin’s latest wife? South Korean beauty queen, Ji Yea Park. http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/06/15/2010061500711.html
