December 2011
56 posts
We are bigger than that.
I think that love and acceptance are good attitudes to have but not to the point of enabling bad behavior. Love and acceptance doesn’t mean not standing up for yourself when people are exhibiting fallen nature, or immaturity. The moon kids do have unmet needs as a result of how they were raised and we see it expressed today. It will affect us if we allow it to because people may place...
I Know Moon please shut your pie hole
I enjoy reading peoples struggles ,thier victories thier defeats but I’m sick of this fanatic who thinks, preaches and has made it his life mission to teach us that the leader centered movement is the cause of all the UC dysfunctions. In this fanatics world if we just dispose of all the UC leaders and boot out the nimlings then all will be well and we will build the KOH on earth. We will...
response
Dear, I have had enough,
I have posted many anti Moon missives to WIOTM and HWDYKYM over the years. After a while I stopped though because I felt the need to move on and trust me, MOVING ON IS GLORIOUS! I feel soooo free.
I also felt that sides had been chosen, those who want out have ample reason to leave without guilt (Guilt is the tool of all false Messiahs, they replace love and the free...
I Have Had Enough
Last Sunday,was the last time for me, I have attended LLM on the satellite feed and now for me that is it.
It is the same old message, just be a worker for the church, witness about the “breaking news” ( I would prefer breaking wind, but that’s another story). I cannot listen to that woman rambling on any more.
I have given it a far shot, and now it is time to walk away, I...
To the one who wrote the " Response to the...
You wrote:
Response to the response about why 2nd Gen get born again. ( Hey that rhymes)
According to you Mr. J.R. anybody can be a “messiah”, you can choose anyone, like David Koresh, Jim Jones, Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Joseph Smith (Mormons),Moon,Marshall Applewhite,of “Heaven’s gate”.
Research over the internet the tragic results to the people who choose this...
ok mr "i know moon"....
the names not grasshopper.
dp excerpts
As was discussed earlier,9(cf. Fall 1.1.1) had Adam fully realized the ideal of creation, he would have become the tree of life and likewise all his descendants would have become trees of life. However, Adam’s fall frustrated God’s Will, and ever since, fallen humankind has hoped to be restored as trees of life.10
moons kids dont seem like...
I know of a couple BCs who have come to know Jesus. You know why? Because of the communion of saints praying for them, plain and simple. The truth shall set you free.
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response to my answer for the one fact to refute...
Heres how I understand two of the central tenets of dp.
If there was no fall, the KOH on earth would have been established - true family - etc. Adam and Eve would have attained perfection and all would have gone swell from there.
Second, Sun Myung and Hak Ja Han, supposedly, have attained this standard of perfection. There fore, there children should have no problem doing likewise.
Am I wrong?...
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Two definitions of Resurrection: CPL = exorcism ...
Looks like the UC has taken a nose dive into the realm of superstition and it has become main stream belief. The whole Chung Pyung Lake experience is stricken with spiritual manipulation and material corruption. I like the idea of cooperation over exorcism. That is the essential CPL - exorcism. So the difference in ideology between CPL and what the principle actually teaches is co-operation vs....
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I will not stop speaking
howwelldoyouknowyourmoon:
I am one of the former contributors to HowWellDoYouKnowYourMoon. When the site first began gaining momentum, it was an exciting time. There were a good number of us involved giving insights on the flaws in Unification theology, church leadership, and the messiahship of Sun Myung Moon. Most of us were transitioning out of the church, and others had already been...
Salvation
sittinginmystrugglebubble:
Salvation. This is the point to religions right? To reconnect with God and to go to Heaven. A few time on STF I was asked how we believed in getting to heaven. I didn’t know what to say. Christians have to accept Jesus into their hearts. Buddhists don’t actually have a heaven, but after meditating and reaching enlightenment they can leave the rebirth cycle and...
I only know about this church because of some girls I met who were on some program promoting the church’s values, such as ‘world peace’ and ‘unity’. I thought they were some Christian girls but they spoke about their religion and I knew it did not align with Christianity, at least not historical Christianity! They went across the seas to help disadvantaged kids and...
Speaking of the BCs and the Christians and the ‘Charismaticism Movement’ … There is one Christian 2nd gen who is actually heavily involved with the Charismaticism/neo-Pentecostalism Movement and actually has his name out there and is pretty well-known for his testimony of leaving an ‘evil cult’ … surprisingly, though, he does not emphasize the ability of...
I found the “Cleanest Race” C-Span video to be quite interesting. It appears that Japan had introduced a theory of moral superiority via a pure blood line into Korea. The theory appears to be a key factor now in the North Korean personality cult. The Koreans are supposedly a morally superior race of a pure blood line and Kim Il Sung is the father figure. Kim Il Sung is referred to as...
Response to the response about why 2nd Gen get...
To me they are just replacing one messiah for another. Why do you think that you even need a mediator in your relationship with God. If you make Moon your central focus then he becomes your messiah. If you center on Jesus then he becomes your messiah or anyone else for that matter. So if some person was a fake but you focused on them then you make them your messiah by making them your center or...
My answer to: One fact to refute DP.
The paragraph is very interesting. The author of this passage in the principle is asking what we will be like after being restored and so realize the purpose of creation; being perfect. And they are using a biblical passage as if relating the concept to the bible by using that phrase. It might be like some dude just asked the author: ” Hey what does it mean to be perfect as the heavenly...
RESPONSE
So you are seriously SURPRISED by all these 2nd gen turning into born again Christians. is it the emotional worship experience drawing them in? or perhaps the systematic theologies some of them encounter? i suppose I}: refers to the speaker or writer seems more appropriate in this context than {i}: used of a single unit or thing; not two or more”I enjoy it better than the bitter irreligious...
Can we have a petition to get In Jin Moon to admit to her sexual affairs? A leader cannot go without public repentance. Behind the scenes repentance is too common among the leadership and much of these issues are often ignored and they secretly thrive as we turn our heads away. We must put an end to this.
Cleanest race by B.R. Myers
see http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/292562-1
Innovative interpetation of NK literature and racism.
Louis
I was not aware that many 2nd Generation members were becoming born again Christians, but am not surprised. The charismatic Christian movement is one of history’s fastest growing religious phenomenon. See “Fire From Heaven: The Rise Of Pentecostal Spirituality And The Reshaping Of Religion In The 21st Century” by Harvard Theologian Harvey Cox. This movement will have increasingly...
i’m seriously SURPRISED by all these 2nd gen turning into born again christians. is it the emotional worship experience drawing them in? or perhaps the systematic theologies some of them encounter? i suppose i enjoy it better than the bitter irreligious 2nd gen… but i am confused by it nonetheless.
Exploding-Moons...: moon pets - part 7 →
explodingthemoons:
hey dadee-o, nice priest collar! where’d you get that?
well son, i got it from this catelog, right here…they have a website…www.almy.com…i’m speaking at a christian church sunday, so i figured i should…
yea, yea, cool. nice website…wait…HOLY SHIT! two fucking grand for a wine cup?! a grand for a…
one fact to refute dp
dp excerpt from ch 4 1.1
What will people be like once they have been restored as those who have realized the purpose of creation and become perfect as Heavenly Father is perfect? Such people are fully attuned to God and experience God’s Heart within their innermost self. They possess a divine nature and live their life with God, inseparable from Him. Moreover, they do not have the...
Thank you for your insights.
Thank you for your insightful evaluation of the principle and lifestyle. It’s important not to allow yourself in your relationship to God to be affected by other peoples perspectives or failings. It’s not easy to do that. I’m sorry that you do not have clear explanations for your questions and observations. I do know that as time goes on when we make inquiry then we get insights...
My dad asked me "Do you know what satan's biggest...
Whats that dad?
“That he doesn’t exist!”
Uhm…. dad….
What does Father say about the Unification Church?
faqts:
Question: I heard Father say the mission of the Unification Church finished. I also heard him say that we shouldn’t be a religion because it creates barriers… Why are we going back to the Unification Church?
Short Answer: We don’t know why Hyung Jin Nim decided to revert to the Unification Church, an institution whose mission finished (according to Father). What is clear is that it...
In keeping with the theme of not believing something just because it is said to have come from the spirit world, I am reminded of the following saying: “Just because they are dead, does not mean they are smart”.
if mis use of public money is the worst thing...
then what was hak ja han doing funding hyo jins drug habit? u know.. the most wonderful women to ever live…. unless of course thats just an awwwwful blasphemous lie… *eye rolls* Cause cocaine is just sooooooo affordable.
And if the invisible creator’s divine truth is “unchanging” then should we stone people for working on the sabbath day? cause thats what she/he...
to what is on the moon and how well do you know your moon:
though what is on your site is kinda random & hard to follow, it helped me clear my mind a bit. i went to STF last year and realized the church really doesnt do all that much. i also realized how intense the propaganda is. i know i don’t believe in moon really but i am trying to figure out where to go next. i am starting to get...
Joshua Cotter's notes leaked
Notes of a conference call were leaked. This can’t be good news.
The story goes like this. Hyunjin Moon put out a letter for the public a few days ago and then the likes of Injin Moon and Joshua Cotter tried to come up with their little strategy to deal with him. The notes are actually Injin Moon’s own words according to the last sentence on the notes.
These notes are the real deal...
- The Park Ratio -
explodingthemoons:
We here at ETM are concerned about the dire trajectory of the global economy. So we figured we’d see what our old pal Dr. James Park (sometimes refered to as Jin Sung Park…or In Jin’s Husband Nim, or multilevel marketing scam guy) was up to and see if we could get some financial advice.
Sacre Bleu! It turns out he’s out of the business now…but how?
Sacre Rouge! It turns out...
the so called "parallels of history"...
the dates in dp are twisted.
the parallels dont exist.
http://www.allentwood.com/essays/dphistory.html
Like many members, I started walking away as soon as I began hearing rumors of In Jin’s infidelity and Hyun Jin’s cocaine problem. Not because I necessarily believe in them. In fact, I am pretty sure Hyun Jin has no cocaine problem. I left because I saw how both sides were willing to spread rumors against each other. The True Family does not care about upholding a True Family. At least...
Was Winnie-The-Pooh a Good Muslim?
the divine principle employs the same tactics as this paper.
make a claim. find something that vaguely says it is so in the in bible. so on and so forth.
http://www.tektonics.org/guest/pooh.html
if moon is such a good match maker...
looking at people’s ancestors to match them… using pictures and brief bios to match people…
then why did he consult a buddhist fortune teller to match nan sook to hyo jin?
I suppose this is one of nansook’s heinous lies that helped her get money after the divorce. The kind of information that makes a judge go “oh he uses a fortune teller! well then you need more...
fabricated and/or unclear dates in moons theology....
heres the chart i referenced http://www.unification.net/dp96/chart3.gif
dp says adam to noah was 1600 years.
well, if your talking the birth of noah it was 1056 years
if your talking noah to the flood it was something like 1656 which gets you closer to your ball park.
however. if the flood is the dividing mark then dp’s claim of 400 years from noah to abraham is wrong. its 292 years....
Answering rumors: Denying True Parents?
faqts:
Question:
1) Does Hyun Jin Nim think he doesn’t need True Parents?
2) Did he proclaim himself to be a new set of True Parents?
3) Is he acting out of a negative emotion of envy and jealousy?
Short answer: No. No. And no.
These are all false accusations being thrown around lightly by some leaders. These rumors were even spread all the way up to True Parents. When Father heard that...
I left the Unification Church because of In Jin Moon’s hypocrisy. It was irrefutable and I saw how it devastated people I know and love.
parallels of history probs (typos fixed)
dp says adam to noah was 1600 years. well, if your talking the birth of noah it was 1056 years if your talking noah to the flood it was something like 1656 which gets you closer to your ball park. however. if the flood is the dividing mark then dp’s claim of 400 years from noah to abraham is wrong. its 292 years. if the birth of noah is the dividing mark, then its 892 years. both of course...
black heung jin
was a BLATANT con job that slipped right under moons nose.
arent his spiritual senses supposed to be open? didnt he know that it wasnt his son? what about hak ja han, who held on to her dead sons body crying? wasnt she comforted to talk to her son?
why would she even need to talk to her son through a medium? couldnt she just talk to him? isnt she also “perfect”? if eve could have...
ok so the theory goes "moon was so busy saving the...
ok well, what about the time that he and hak ja han did raise his kids?
moon is reported to hit members and his own children. “out of love”. That his theory. i remeber a lady who ran a moonie school, reading from a speech of his where he said those things. that lady later hit a kid born into the moonies for not going through with an arranged marriage. is the excellent parenting of a...
this is what a unification church member wrote me...
If you beleive all that then keep it in your mentality. Myself I beleive in the Divine Principle. To me the Divine Principle it is a God’s New Revelation. What men beleive it is secondary to me. God Bless!!! (name omitted) =============== 1st. I feel Its condescending, like Im a bad negative person, choosing a bad negative mentality. and going through the dp and checking the historical dates...
"just like jesus was persecuted in his time..."
An old moonie argument. Jesus was persecuted in his time and was rejected by accepeted later.
Moonies seem to take this to mean that any opposition to moon is is mis understanding and history repeating itself.
Well, it could be.
Or it could not be.
Just cause it COULD be doesn’t mean it IS.
It could be his doctrine is being rejected because its false.
Its like saying because at one...
if man has "free will"
if man has free will but its “guaranteed” by the law of principle that the third dispensation will build the KOH, then…how does moon have free will? what if he used his free will to not accept jesus’s mission?
how can the third dispendation without fail work, if moon is supposed to have free will that would enable him to fail? and if he has free will he could have failed....
soooo.... the "fall"
so basically…
having sex outside of monogamous marriage = SOURCE ALLL THE PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD?!?!?!
an invisible deity said “don’t have sex or I’ll kill you” to give them a little test.
(is that really more logical than saying there was a fruit?)
but 16 year old eve decided to have sex with 4.5 billion year old lucifer at the risk of her life? she knew she might...
heung jin
heung jin was like… really holy right?
then why are there multiple accounts that he was an underage drinker? i thought i read that alcohol floods your body with evil spirits? and you can pay to have those evil sprits removed… haha by heung jin!
but heung jin drank?
I should be a writer for hwdykym
evaluated critically, pick ANY SEGMENT of dp and it crumbles. heres the first part of POC
How can we know the divine nature of the invisible God? One way to fathom His deity is by observing the universe which He created. Thus, St. Paul said: Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made....
False “spirit would” messages would not be an issue if we were not so naive as to fall for anything that is presented as coming from “the spirit world”. Would we accept the notion that 1 + 1 = 3 simply if it came from the spirit world? Perhaps we should evaluate a claim on it own merits.