Anonymous asked: To the proud believer in the priceless removal of original sin by Moon....you're so proud of him and what you believe he did....just not proud enough or grateful enough to back up your belief with your identity. Typical of Moon defenders. That kind of behavior is more in line with shame, not gratitude. Why are you ashamed to put your name to your beliefs and love for SMM?
The Christianity flaunted here looks more like a mishmash of Greek philosophy, post-enlightenment ‘rationalism’, and biblicism / a sloppy and irresponsible handling of the Bible than Jesus Christ. The person of Jesus should define your whole religion—your whole view of the Bible and God. Jesus is God, and if that is true… the angry, exclusive ‘gospel’ you are preaching looks more like paganism than the faith and message of Jesus Christ.
We need to move beyond persecuting others for having theological differences than our own. That has how it has been throughout the history of religion and it’s got to stop. There’s no excuse for this kind of intolerance. Can you imagine how it affects God to see His children being put into such a position just because they dissent to a particular theological argument, or have a difference in understanding, or have the ability, and the courage to challenge conventional and institutionalized thought?
There have been many people like this throughout history. Israel was supposed to be the chosen nation but couldn’t stop itself from persecuting and killing it’s own Prophets. Christianity is no different. And now it seems that the Family Federation is no different as well. If God is suffering, then God has to stand by while this situation continues. I would expect a lot more from a messianic movement that claims to reverse the fallen history.
Instead - as we have seen, the True Family even call one of their own a heretic and a destroyer. How can that behavior be tolerated in an ideal?
There are many frameworks in this world, and within those people who have varying opinions, beliefs, and doctrine. What are you going to do - make everyone a heretic because they don’t conform to your version of the truth?
Heresy is such an evil word, and an evil action. It pushes people outside, away from you. It doesn’t represent God’s feeling towards his children at all. I think God welcomes opinion, thinking, questions. God is not afraid of change and being challenged. I think He expects it and even looks forward to the exchange.
THE ORIGINAL SIN.THE ONLY REAL MESSIAH APPOINTED BY THE LORD GOD, THE LORD JESUS WAS PAID FOR ALL SINS, OBVIOUS THAT INCLUDE THE ORIGINAL SIN. AND YOU CAN RECEIVE, THE FREE GIFT OF REAL SALVATION, FORGIVENESS FOR SINS, BY OBEYING THE LORD GOD’S COMMAND TO BELIEVE IN HIS SON THE LORD JESUS, AND HIS GOSPEL.
Romans 5, Death Through Adam, life through the Lord Jesus Christ, the only real messiah.
The truth, the Lord God’s word
Romans (5:12-21)12 Sin came into the world because of what one man did, and with sin came death. This is why everyone must die—because everyone sinned.13 Sin was in the world before the law of Moses, but sin is not counted against us as breaking a command when there is no law.14 But from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, everyone had to die, even those who had not sinned by breaking a command, as Adam had.
Adam was like the One who was coming in the future.15 But God’s free gift is not like Adam’s sin. Many people died because of the sin of that one man. But the grace from God was much greater; many people received God’s gift of life by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ.16 After Adam sinned once, he was judged guilty. But the gift of God is different. God’s free gift came after many sins, and it makes people right with God. 17 One man sinned, and so death ruled all people because of that one man. But now those people who accept God’s full grace and the great gift of being made right with him will surely have true life and rule through the one man, Jesus Christ.
18 So as one sin of Adam brought the punishment of death to all people, one good act that Jesus Christ did makes all people right with God. And that brings true life for all.19 One man disobeyed God, and many became sinners. In the same way, one man obeyed God, and many will be made right.20 The law came to make sin worse. But when sin grew worse, God’s grace increased.21 Sin once used death to rule us, but God gave people more of his grace so that grace could rule by making people right with Him. And this brings life forever through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 8:1 Those who belong to Christ Jesus are no longer under God’s sentence. 2 I am now controlled by the law of the Holy Spirit. That law gives me life because of what Christ Jesus has done. It has set me free from the law of sin that brings death.
Salvation is available only through faith in Jesus Christ! “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12).Romans 8:1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,
JESUS IS LORD!!!
Anonymous asked: True Children and Blessed Children are in the same boat. True Father had to overemphasize the value of Blessing/forgiveness of original/personal sin, because it's value is not very apparent to the naked eye. Negative side effect, a Church that is too insular. But sin is like a tree, and original sin just the root, personal the branches. We still have to restore tribal, racial, national level sins we have inherited. We are all flawed and all human. But the removal of Original sin is priceless.
Anonymous asked: You call me a heretic but you don't have the guts to sign your name. I'm in good company. You are just another in a long line of religious fanatics who work in the shadows. Typical cult mentality.
Anonymous asked: Right Frank, you can't say that shamanism doesn't play an essential role in Moonism. And why someone who misdirected hundreds of millions of dollars of public money into thier own family interests is sitting on the supreme council is beyond any comprehension. It's like a reward for being crooked. It says that it's ok to misuse public funds - if you are a true family member or related in some way even if you say you have the spirit of a family member working through you. ugh. John Reed
Anonymous asked: Dave, thanks for your thoughtful piece. I do agree that a nuclear/terrorist catastrophe will have consequences far exceeding both the last century's world wars. That's why Homechurch on the local level is so important. Moon even said he took care of the nation and world. All we have to do is restore our relatives and our immediate domain. So you get to it and I'll work on my unique way of doing it. I'm focusing on the Christian Parish model and neighborhood through social relationships. JohnR
When I hear church members making distinctions between the ideal world and the real world, my first impulse is to drag them to the nearest tree and hang them vigilante style. I recognize that that behavior isn’t ideal so the best I can do is to encourage them to study their own material. The following speech clarifies for the members what the original Divine Principle is and even assigns it’s gate keepers.
http://www.tparents.org/Library/Unification/Talks2/Yu/Yu-120823-3-0.pdf#search="prof oh yong taek sun moon university special seminar preparing for foundation day 19 – 24 august 2012 schmitten germany"
The Wolli Won Bon was Moon’s handwritten notes that the earliest members were taught from. Later Moon arranged to have it translated by Rev. Eu with the help of a trained Theologian named Young Oon Kim. I presume that the sincretic, shamanistic origins of the belief system needed to be adapted to the belief set of the Christian world in order to avoid controversy. You can imagine my surprise to find that the original D.P. was given to Dr. Andrew Wilson to translate at the UTS. Andrew Wilson has been employed by the church to further adapt Divine Principle theology to the sensibilities of the Jewish community. One has to wonder when the church version of Wolli Won Bon will be available to the members in plain english. I believe that Rev. Moon’s sincere desire before he died was to reveal the Original Divine Principle message to the members. Hence, we have these new concepts about the Gods of Night and Day, etc.
For the members who still in denial about the Shamanistic origins of the U.C. they need only to do a study comparison on Hoon Mo Nim of Chump pyung Lake fame and modern Korean Shamanism. Those who scoff and say that Dae Mon Nim is not representative of U.C. ideals, need to read this document:
Yep. Hyo Nam Kim is one and the same and serves on the Supreme Council as third in their own hierarchical structure. She is also accused of diverting hundreds of millions of dollars into her families account. Perhaps in the Shaman tradition it isn’t a crime to steal public money but it does contradict her own and Moon’s teachings.
Anyone who is offended by ex-members interpreting Divine Principle, obviously isn’t familiar with their own history. Or perhaps they have adapted their set of ethics to that of the Moon family and their cohorts. In which case none of these discussions would have any meaning what so ever. If only Nan Sook Hong had gone to the authorities with her evidence of illegal Drug abuse, underage sex, and tax law violations within the Moon family compound, it is unlikely that we would have anything to discuss here. Unfortunately, she tried to beat them at their own game which only benefited herself and the Moon machine keeps grinding on. Frank