What is on the Moon?

Indumbnity

Wed, 22 May 2013 01:51:01 -0400

I think the UC is a confusing contradiction that borderlines self masochism. Don’t be mistaken - there are UC members who have the most pure hearts of gold, but I can’t understand the organization and its teachings. Does one really have to travel to Cheongpyeong and pay $20,000+ dollars in ancestor liberation to go to Heaven? Really? Isn’t that no different than the old Catholic Church that the UC has supposedly superseded with a higher revelation? And then what? Wait for another church campaign where members are once again forced to cough up their savings? When does it end? Is there any freedom in the UC? Many members are old, poor, and suffering from health problems. They have no pensions, no security, and no life support. These members gave up everything so the Moon kids could knock up their girlfriends, sexually prey on members, and get multiple blessings. But just remember - if the Moon kids mess up it’s your fault. They messed up because you didn’t pay enough indumbnity. I really really love the members in the UC, but I have to say more than ever that I believe that true freedom is not in the UC. Look to Jesus. He will heal your pain. He knows your faults. He will not ask you to suffer for him. There is no INDUMBNITY in Christ. INDUMBNITY is NOT true love.

Response to the Global anonymous coward.

Wed, 22 May 2013 00:56:07 -0400

“It distorted his thinking and warped his common sense almost like he has stockholm syndrome. It’s time to move on Frank like John Reed did several months ago. Stop looking for demons they are everywhere and easy to find .”
[Quote from - “A Concerned Global Citizen”]

Dear Global Citizen,

I think you may not understand what I mean when I say I would like to move on. It’s got to do with perception, or having a broader perspective than I once had. At one time in my life it meant cutting off completely from the group and the family that run that group to their own advantage. I did that and threw out the baby with the bath water. But since then have come to realize that it is part of my life experience and unlike church members attitudes towards others it is not a healthy thing to just completely cut off from something we have interacted and associated with, and a community we were involved in. Perhaps that is necessary to go cold turkey to separate from the group some that an individual can reference their life experience without it being in the frame work of that group but sooner or later - maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but in an individuals good time they may want to revisit and reflect, evaluate and discern what they were doing, and what they were believing, especially in light of the reality of the Moon family’s laundry out there for all to see - now and for all time.

When you mention my name then I will respond. I have not just “moved on” in the sense that I no longer am around, I have moved on in the sense that I have gone beyond the experience and see and understand things much clearer than I was when I was in the group, and also when I was completely separated from it. People like Frank and myself will always be around to challenge you. We will not just go away. The number of people with similar experiences with this group is growing as time goes on. It will not go away. This so called true family interrupted my life, they mislead an impressionable young idealist searching for God, they redirected my offering and caused me to separate from my own parents to help develop their dysfunctional church and ultimately the offering I made was redirected into the Moon families pockets.

So I will not go away. In a sense Moon and his cohorts had a hand in my development. They made me what I am today. They trained me well. They conditioned me well. This whole thing was all about Moon himself, and his physical family at the cost of everyone else. The lineage is a lie. There is no lineage. It is just an instrument for people to remain loyal to this false family of hypocrites. They are not who they pretend to be. They are not the ideal in substance. They don’t even make it in the finals for good relationships amongst themselves. The steal, fight, and covert any thing they can at the cost of the membership. That also includes the witch of Cheong Pyong whose Chaebol controls over 230 million dollars in assets.

So Frank and myself, and others will never go away. We are co-joined hash out this shit until the day we die and beyond. Thank you Rev. Moon for your fucked up legacy.

John Reed

Bring ex-members back to what exactly? There is a reason individuals no longer associate and interact in that group, and also the people in the group want you to come back on their terms in a conditional - not unconditional - way. Also, they wouldn't be able to handle the challenge to their authority. In case you haven't noticed their focus for the past twenty years has been their kids. Also, why on earth would anyone want to make an offering that is redirected into the Moon families pockets?

Tue, 21 May 2013 23:22:21 -0400

Rev. Moon and the United Nations

Mon, 20 May 2013 14:46:36 -0400

howwelldoyouknowyourmoon:

By Harold Paine and Birgit Gratzer

November 2001

I. Introduction
The organization of the Reverend Sun Myung Moon is seeking a major role in the NGO community at the United Nations. Three Moon groups have been granted formal NGO status and others have applied. The Moon organization has used the UN for conferences and for publicity events. Moon has held a mass-wedding in a UN conference room. A new Moon-sponsored “umbrella group,” known as the World Association of NGOs (WANGO), proposes itself as an authentic voice of the NGO community.
The Moon organization (1) commands considerable financial resources. It has held lavish conferences, with participants from many countries. A number of government missions have lent their support. Dozens of well-known scholars, NGO representatives, politicians and diplomats have unwittingly taken part.
At a time when many are asking questions about who NGOs represent and what role they should have in global governance, we must carefully examine this newcomer, especially since it lays claim to broad international legitimacy. (2)
The Moon organization, as we shall show, is a strange admixture of religion, politics and business. It has confounded tax and oversight authorities by doing much of its financial transactions in cash and by using the mantle of religious freedom to shield itself from scrutiny. (3)
Before turning to details about Moon activities at the UN, we will review general information from public sources about the Moon organization and its operating methods. We draw on many major media, books and journal articles, a report of the US Congress and extensive web-based information, as well as Moon publications and web sites. In the subsequent report about the Moon organization at the UN, we also draw on a number of interviews as well as primary documents.

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In answer to the question about leaving the church… In Jin’s implosion made me lose any...

Mon, 20 May 2013 13:51:10 -0400

In answer to the question about leaving the church…

In Jin’s implosion made me lose any hope in the Moon family. But as bad as that was, the infighting among brothers was the last nail in the coffin. That did it for me.

How leaders react may depend on which district you are in. No one bothered to even call me to ask why I was not coming to church anymore. I am not aware of any active campaign to bring old members back, although there is some lip service about doing so.

howwelldoyouknowyourmoon: Ewha scandal on videoSee...

Sun, 19 May 2013 23:05:00 -0400

howwelldoyouknowyourmoon:

Ewha scandal on video

See also:

http://howwelldoyouknowyourmoon.tumblr.com/post/50264900834/moon-sex-scandal-at-ewha-in-the-headlines

http://howwelldoyouknowyourmoon.tumblr.com/post/50501329306/i-neither-saw-nor-heard-from-my-mother-for-10-years

http://howwelldoyouknowyourmoon.tumblr.com/post/50582016896/moon-talks-about-the-ewha-scandal

http://howwelldoyouknowyourmoon.tumblr.com/post/50657417010/two-uc-historians-change-gender

My walk with God has been mostly blind and ignorant, unaware of how good and sweet God actually is....

Sun, 19 May 2013 22:09:28 -0400

My walk with God has been mostly blind and ignorant, unaware of how good and sweet God actually is. I saw God as an unforgiving, limited, un-mighty semi-creator in Unificationism. He was unwilling and unable to fully cleanse us of our sins, according to Unification doctrine, and self-condemnation piled up. And then I found pure and true religion, undefiled religion, which is in loving and taking care of widows and orphans. I found the simplicity of Christ’s good news: everything can be made new because Jesus took the old down to the cross and rose in victory. I can be completely forgiven. I can be made whole. When God looks at me, he laughs and embraces me and kisses me because he sees how beautiful I truly am. I am not a mess in his eyes. Thankfully.

As you think of your life as a spiritual or religious path, what were some of the features of the way you have walked?

Sun, 19 May 2013 21:14:34 -0400

Is there anyone who has left the church after the In Jin Moon scandal? I wanted to know if they had any problems with members/leaders stalking them or harassing them to try and get them to come back, or any problems with members trying to wreck their marriage so they could get a spouse to come back? Thanks.

Sun, 19 May 2013 21:14:17 -0400

7 years on national MFT

Sun, 19 May 2013 17:32:57 -0400

I agree 7 years took it’s toll on the Canadian born member Frank Frivilous.

It distorted his thinking and warped his common sense almost like he has stockholm syndrome. It’s time to move on Frank like John Reed did several months ago. Stop looking for demons they are everywhere and easy to find .

Wake up smell the coffee and move on with the few remaining years you have in this life.

a concerned global citisen

Just about all posts are accepted, from what I’ve seen.

Sun, 19 May 2013 01:51:03 -0400

Just about all posts are accepted, from what I’ve seen.

Someone asked who is Rev. Shin who came to Albania this year. I know Rev. Shin, and he is one of the...

Sun, 19 May 2013 00:56:07 -0400

Someone asked who is Rev. Shin who came to Albania this year.

I know Rev. Shin, and he is one of the people sent out by Korean HQ to work in the 20 countries for the 2020 project. He has been a regional leader in America for the last 15 years or so.

Do you have more detailed questions? I am happy to answer private questions, too, but maybe this site is not the place for that.

Oh Ron, you will soon learn that the editor is not even an editor.

Sat, 18 May 2013 16:37:18 -0400

Oh Ron, you will soon learn that the editor is not even an editor.

Aloha all, What a bummer - I’m new to this venue and spent the last half hour pouring my...

Sat, 18 May 2013 15:41:49 -0400

Aloha all, What a bummer - I’m new to this venue and spent the last half hour pouring my heart out. Was about to post and thought about attaching a link, but when I hit the Link option my text disappeared. Well, at least the SW knows what’s on my mind. The rest of you will have to wait until I feel inspired to recreate it again. Too late to do it tonight. Just for a teaser, it was about the New Moon over Vegas. Kwan Jin Nim came across very well in what I assume was his debut - the Vegas Church Mother’s Day sermon posted online.

paparon, OSF, BAFC

P.S. I am unfamiliar with this venue, obviously, and would like to know who the critical editor is that I have to please in order to post.

observable result

Sat, 18 May 2013 01:51:13 -0400

This is a rather long article concerning the nature of a sociopath or cult leader.

http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html

Though it is rather long it is worth reading in conjunction with the post to HWDYKYM, “Moon talks about Ewha scandal. “

When read one after the other it becomes crystal clear that Sun Myung Moon was a sociopath. There isn’t a single description of the sociopathic nature that doesn’t fit Rev Moon or many of his children for that matter. This is just mind boggling stuff!

The proof is in the result. One would do well to ask themselves, “Where is the observable result of Rev Moon’s own life and our church members untold sacrifices from all over the globe? Again, where is the observable result?” Hint….follow the money trail.

Who is Rev. Shin, who was sent to Europe (focus on Albania, Kosovo) in 2013? Thank you

Sat, 18 May 2013 00:55:47 -0400

Who is Rev. Shin, who was sent to Europe (focus on Albania, Kosovo) in 2013? Thank you

Help Tacco Hose

Sat, 18 May 2013 00:01:03 -0400

I thought it would be good to share this here. I saw Teddy Hose post this on facebook and I know his mother and father are truly loving, honest, and spiritual people. Ex-member, member, non-member, religious, spiritual, secular, etc., it does not matter. This is a good cause:

“Recently I received a call from my parents asking me to borrow a large amount of money, because my mom will undergo surgery and their car died. My siblings and I are no strangers to this type of call, as my hard working parents have been on an unsteady income for as long as we can remember. For the first time I’m not in a position to help them financially, so I am reaching out to friends and others. It is also bad timing with my siblings as one brother is a recently single father with 2 kids, another is unemployed, and another just spent most of what he had on his recent wedding.
My mother has been paralyzed from the waist down, living in chronic pain since a near fatal accident in 1991. Her and my dad have gone from doctor to doctor looking for one who can surgically relieve her of the pain, as she let us know she’s at her limit and has tried not to burden us with expressing it until now. They have finally found one and are waiting to hear back about the details.

Over the years my mom has done everything she could to support the family, with stay home jobs like stuffing envelopes, making jewelry to sell, painting wood designs for craft shows, while still cooking meals for us as kids (with our assistance), whatever she could do from her wheelchair. She works as a translator as she is a Japanese native, but the company she’s working for announced they will go under very soon. This on top of having to completely renovate their kitchen, because a broken water heater leaked into the floor and walls last year. Meanwhile whenever I come over to visit, she is almost always knitting something for a friend or family member. Before that it was making customized cards from her stamp collection and pressed flowers, as she never forgets a birthday. She has proven time and again that she’s nothing short of unstoppable, and a pillar for our family.

My father is a full time artist and muralist, dedicated to serving his community by depicting significant figures in their town’s history, and adding life to the walls of Monroe, Washington. Over the years the downtown area has become a virtual gallery for his works, notably the Hitching Post Cafe which is to him what the Sistine Chapel is to Michelangelo. He is currently at work on possibly the largest mural in Snohomish County, a 30’ x 60’ veteran memorial on the wall of the American Legion (pictured above). Sadly the term, “starving artist” has been a reality for my dad now nearing 70. He has never compromised his craft for a more steady income (he doesn’t really know how), and continues to push his work while also serving on the Chamber of Commerce for Monroe. Here’s a glimpse into his work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-PAvSKyIaE

Being an artist and working stay home jobs do not come with a retirement plan, so while my siblings and I are all doing what we can to help, I am asking each one of you to donate a little to help them out in this matter. They’ve already targeted an affordable used station wagon that fits my mom’s wheelchair in the back, and my dad’s paint and art supplies. The desired funding amount is based on the cost of the car and estimated cost of surgery, after Medicare coverage.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and bless your heart for donating.”

-written by Teddy Hose for http://www.gofundme.com/DisabledMomDadCar

My story is pretty similar; just looking for old friends now.

Fri, 17 May 2013 23:04:50 -0400

My story in some ways is pretty much the same as everyone’s here, but different than most in the sense the church was a “step up” for me. I had a chance to “travel” (if you want to call it that), which I never would have in the real world. I was 18 and heading for nothing in San Francisco. I met “Dr. John” and “Lee Ann” and went to the meeting at Bush St. house. I joined instantly and tried to believe in the DP; I was really sincere and wanted to do “something” with meaning in my life, and at the time this was the only thing that presented itself to me. After 2 years I left the UC and promptly began working long hours for low pay all over again (except this time there was NO friends and NO travel) - which is why I understand better than most why people are afraid to leave and be left with “nothing”, believe me.

Here are some ways my story was the same; I was never good with people, I was 18, a virgin, no friends, but in the UC I instantly had lots of friends (just no sex). I didn’t mind the long hours, because I was used to long hours with no pay, anyway. I also didn’t feel college was worth the expense; sure I wanted to go, but the price tag was too steep to justify the cost. Besides, I’m more cut out for manual work, not a professional career.

Most people in the UC are fairly intelligent with a couple of years of college, but they are just so damn lonely; the boys (like me) couldn’t get friends easily, and the girls just didn’t seem to be interested in clothes and sex; in fact they seem put off by hair, clothes, make up, and dating. BTW don’t get mad at me if you don’t feel the same way; I know everybody is different, I’m just writing about MY perception; this is MY story, not YOUR story, okay?

After years & years I am now seeking former members on facebook because of the good times and intense bond you have while living in that situation. I only contacted one person that I felt really close to and respected the others privacy by not messaging them at all. Which brings me to this blog; I only really want to contact a couple people who by chance might read this (that way the are contacting ME, instead of me bothering them). So, here goes (in no particular order); if you recognize your name and remember Alan, send me a message: Stella D, Houston MFT 1981, Dorrit H, Houston MFT 1981. Dido E, Houston MFT 1981, Elaine P, Berkeley-Boston 1981, Elizabeth W, Boston 1981, Janet P, New Yorker 1981.

That’s about it. I have no ill feelings toward the church; like I said; in many ways it was a step up from my bland world, but ultimately I wanted my freedom. Best wishes to everybody!

hber1980@yahoo.com

Korean Mating and Dating

Fri, 17 May 2013 22:09:42 -0400

howwelldoyouknowyourmoon:

By Bo-Kyung Byun

Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you know that the episode “Shocking Report on Relationships with Foreigners,” aired by Korea’s MBC TV network in late May, caused a great deal of controversy among the expat community as well as some head-scratching….

Korean Ethnocentrism, international couples and the dating dilemma

Read more: http://thethreewisemonkeys.com/2012/06/26/who-do-you-love-korean-ethnocentrism-international-couples-and-the-dating-dilemma/

Gender bender

Fri, 17 May 2013 21:14:11 -0400

The gender change thing is probably a mistake by whoever translated the original Korean texts. In Korean you can ambiguously refer to a woman without specifically saying “she”, and women’s names can often sound like a man’s name. So, if the translator doesn’t know the gender of the person it is easy to make the mistake of assuming it’s a man when it’s really a woman. The texts are probably translated by two different people….. one who knew the gender of the person in question and another who didn’t.